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Old 2nd October 2013, 05:15

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Listen to her voice (below). It's soft, smooth, and high pitched. That means she doesn't use steroids. All natural, baby!
Yeah she says she's natural and she isn't unrealistically big so she could well be but I wouldn't be convinced just based on her voice, afterall everyone is affected differently, if she does get much bigger then I don't buy it.
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Yeah she says she's natural and she isn't unrealistically big so she could well be but I wouldn't be convinced just based on her voice, afterall everyone is affected differently, if she does get much bigger then I don't buy it.
You also can't look at size to determine steroid use. There is a chance that she either works very hard, or is genetically superior, or both. It's probable for certain people to have a genetic mutation to allow them to grow muscle faster. Different genetics can alter production of myostatin, testosterone, insulin, growth hormone, and cortisol. If you have a right combination of these hormones, building muscle will be easier.

Also, don't be deceived by photos. Female bodybuilders might proportionally look big, but they don't have sheer mass. The average Ms. Olympia contestant is 5'6'' and 160 lbs.


Alina Popa (2nd) - Ms Olympia 2013

Now, compare that to the average Mr. Olympia contestant at 5'9'' and 290 lbs.


Phil Heath (1st) Kai Greene (2nd) - Mr Olympia 2013

The females look big on their own, but once you place them next to the males, you'll see the sheer difference. I'm not saying that those women didn't use roids. What I am saying is that when you look at the numbers, it's not impossible for a woman to hit 160 lbs with hard work and diet. What I think is far more likely is men using roids to reach 290 lbs.
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I'm not a proponent of using size to solely judge steroid use because genetics, work ethic, and diet are all factors. But if you want to use size, then you should be looking at absolute mass instead of relative mass. Perhaps, I wasn't too clear in my last post, so I will illustrate with images.

First, look at Geraldine Morgan by herself:



Most people would assume that she is huge and uses steroids. But wait. Put her next to people that are actually big:



Now, she appears just normal sized. She's only 5'6'' at 160 lbs (in-season). Oddly enough, it seems 90% other pro female bodybuilders are this height and weight.

First of all, understand what the common steroids like testosterone and HG1 are. They are anabolic. Anabolic means building (muscle). These hormones only increase the rate of muscle growth. It's lunatic to think that they can somehow grow muscle by sitting on the couch or modify your genetics to shatter the upper limit of muscle size.

At 160 lbs, Geraldine is not big. I even think it's funny how the biggest Ms. Olympia contestants are all around 160 lbs. Geraldine is just lean, so you can see her muscles better. You don't need steroids to lose the fat that's covering your muscles. Losing fat is as simple as eating less calories than your body expends. There is no magic to that.

Aside from saying all that, I cannot claim with 100% accuracy that a particular female bodybuilder is natural or not. Whether they want to cheat and get results faster is up to them. What I can say is that we can have a higher probability of guessing someone's roid use by looking at their facial features, voice, and absolute mass. I would never look at their relative mass to judge roid use.

And don't leave out genetics either. Genetics, without roids, can also play a role in getting huge. I think you know the wrestling and movie star Dwayne Johnson:



Look at his father, Rocky Johnson:



Now look at his grandfather, Peter Johnson:



All his ancestors were huge! I can't say for certain that Dwayne's father didn't use steroids because he performed in the 1970's. That's when steroids were first introduced to bodybuilders. But I know for sure that his grandfather did not have access to steroids because the grandfather obviously performed before the 70's. So genetics play a big role in your size in the absence of roids. Look, are you a similar size to your father. And was your father a similar size to his own father? My case is proven. Roids cannot magically change your skeletal structure to give your muscles more room to grow. You have a genetic limit and a genetic predisposition.
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First of all, understand what the common steroids like testosterone and HG1 are. They are anabolic. Anabolic means building (muscle). These hormones only increase the rate of muscle growth. It's lunatic to think that they can somehow grow muscle by sitting on the couch or modify your genetics to shatter the upper limit of muscle size.
Yeah I'm well aware of what steroids are. I don't think they magically add muscle without work and I don't think they add height or skeletal structure either.

Anyway if you genuinely think that Geraldine Morgan looks natural or any in season 160lbs Fbbs are then fair play to you, she looks legitimately huge to me, even more so next to the men. Unless she tells us what regimen she's one we'll never know for sure.
But it's plain as day for anyone to see that the moment a bodybuilding competition demands it's competitors be natural, whether they are men or women they are markedly smaller and less defined. Plus add to that the unsurprising fact that no one can seem to compete on both sides of the divide.

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She was 5'5'', 138 lbs for the 1993 Ms. Olympia. It's crazy to think that 138 lbs was considered big back then. I can't even drop my weight down to 138... It was kind of strange that she placed 2nd in 1993, but never came back the next year to try again.



This was the 1993 posing routine. The announcers were saying the gyrating on the floor was too sexy and she was walking the line of getting disqualified.

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